Tuesday, April 24, 2007

Why do you believe in the god of the Christians to the exclusion of all the others? (or Recruit the Power of the Holy Spirit)

Dont be afraid nor embarrassed to recruit the Holy Spirit's power;
We dont need to use sleight of hand to prove Jesus is alive and real.

"because our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and with deep conviction." (1 Thessalonians 1:5)

On a newsgroup (news.YCombinator), the following thread:

rms 4 days ago
As an intellectual person, I find blind faith in Christianity outright offensive. It doesn't make any sense to base your world view on the mythology of a Bronze Age people.
Honestly, I'm glad that you have the right to spread the good word on your website. But it's so rare I get to interact with a real, live Christian that I delight in the opportunity. Maybe we can both gain something.
So let's talk. Why do you believe in the god of the Christians to the exclusion of all the others?

juwo 4 days ago
why do you believe that 2+2=4 and not 2+2=5 ?
reply [I was sleepy and replied without much thought]

rms 4 days ago
Because I count two things, and two more things and see that there are four objects. I can observe with my own eyes that mathematics works. You can't ever see God, you have to take on faith that a book written almost 2000 years ago is absolute fact.
So why do you believe in the god of the Christians to the exclusion of all the other gods?
juwo 4 days ago
You obviously pride yourself on being an intellectual, yet you havent even scratched the surface. Think deeper.
The answer lies in the answer to my question.

rms 4 days ago
Fine. Mathematics is generally based on so-called "non-logical axioms" -- non proven statements that we accept based on what a person such as yourself would call faith.
Still, I believe in mathematics because it works. Why do you believe in the god of the Christians to the exclusion of all others?
reply [the Holy Spirit brought rms to recognise by himself, the role that faith plays in Mathematics]
juwo 3 days ago
You're getting the point - that we trust Mathematics even though it involves faith, because there is plenty of correlation to the 'real' world.
Similarly, Jesus is a real person, not an emotional crutch. An absolute truth, not a relative choice. Like 2+2=4 and not 2+2=5.
How do I prove it? Simple. Ask Jesus himself to show that he is real, to you. However when you ask, you cannot have an attitude - otherwise he will ignore you.
"you will seek me and find me when you seek me with all of your heart" [God] (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah%2029%20:%2013;&version=31)
He himself, will checkmate you.

Neither introspection nor emotional experiences reveal truths about external reality. Emotional experiences carried out in the meat computer mounted on top of your torso do not provide any supporting evidence for the existence of Jesus.
Far from it. I am not talking about "introspection nor emotional experiences". If Jesus is real, then he will show that he is real, to you, if you ask without an attitude.
It will not always be in the same way.

[perhaps someday soon, both rms and jey will have that encounter]

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